I hope we’ll see the SpecV time soon

Man, Porsche should just let go. It’s not Nissan’s fault they can’t drive.

unless we can get an independent driver to drive both, like Sabine Schmitz, Horst von Saurma, or
Jackie Stewart…i can’t help but think of this as a PONZI SCHEME, sorry…..
having Nissan use their own times instead of an independent driver? lol like Madoff using his own auditor.

lulz, look at ebay now, so many 2009 GTRs unsold now at the same price as 2010s, why is that?
they are not moving off the lots, yeah part of it is the depression, but also peoples perceptions of spending
90k on a Nissan and then finding some flimsy warranty, even down the line maintenance costs will be crazy high, so are Ferraris, but then again its a Ferrari

Lets

Impossible with only 485ps and 1700 Kg.
This unit has, at least, +80ps, race tires and a special setup

Not a single other manufacturer has third parties test their cars so why should Nissan?

because Nissan should put this to rest, they are claiming their car is within 1 second of the Enzo and still it weighs 800lbs more with less HP?? AWD does alot, but c’mon I want independent validation.

without independent testing this is all a flame war

lulz, you mean the same show that used fake Ferraris and didn’t tell anyone?
http://uk.cars.yahoo.com/16022009/36/top-gear-fake-ferrari-scandal-0.html

the show is entertainment, not science.

that said, I was thrilled to see the GTR doing the laps, I love the GTR btw, but i’m not a fanboy, and I dont think Nissan is really helping themselves with this Nurburgring nonsense. The ring is suddenly the new marketing ploy of automakers, if you are going to market your car as XXX fast then for independent verification.

I hope not, personally I would love to see Jackie Stewart and Sabine Schmitz go out and flog the same car Nissan used. To me the GTR is really Bugatti Veyron without the luxury and 10 cylinders less, but basically Nissan went out and brought the Veyron to the masses.

@Kris
The points is this: sometimes Nissan gives to the magazine very upgraded GT-R (ex. C&D: 0-200 Kph 11.5s!!)
when the GT-R is normal… is slower, on straight and on track too.
ex Quattroruote supertest 2008, GT-R 0-200 13.1 and ar from Scuderia, LP560 and Gt2 (but GT-R stil teh faster in its category and the best laptime/price ratio!!!!!!)
http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThread=y&gID=3&fID=0&tID=161920

I want to see the 2010 GTR with the spec V tires that are the bridgestone’s RE070R but with stiffer side walls. They sould put these on and do another run. I bet it will post even better times.
Bridgestone should also replace the old version with this one anyway, and come standard on the new GTR.

drivers-republic drove the gt-r around the nürburgring in 7m55s9 in the wet nearly as fast as porsche did in seemingly perfect conditions…
Also I haven’t seen any proof other than porsche words of the 911 turbo time (7m38s) and I should believe them ? the same thing apply about the new GT3 and carrera s. Nissan provided two videos of the 7m29s run one entirely cockpit side and the other with some helicopter shot I expect the same from Porsche.

The GTR is not a f1 car nor is it a rally car and the majority of f1 drivers would struggle with an alternate “formula” car and vice versa. Look at retired f1 drivers in the dm series and rally drivers also wouldn’t be able to max a f1 car either. So if you don’t understand the car you don’t know how to drive. There’s a reason why this things called Godzilla; it’s already proven it’s philosophy so I have no idea why people are so surprised; if anything I’m expecting it to go faster.

And besides the N-ring isn’t “that” big of a deal. It’s all about reading the gradient’s which can only be sensed with a sensitive suspension. After that it becomes very much a linear rally track. The trick is to apply the Gtr’s 4WD system when needed otherwise only f1 cars would struggle on that coarse given there ultra low ride heights. So if you’ve never driven a Modern f1 car all out on the N-ring, then you know anything about the course.

fifth gear bruno senna driving gtr and porsche, the gtr won. independent. and bruno drove his own porsche and a bit biased in the review but the no.s don’t lie.

can’t believe someone uses this as an argument ” top gear uses fake ferraris in their shows ” it’s “top gear live” doh!

DONT CRY PORSCHE!

YOUR TIME HAS PASSED !

NOW EVEN CARS LIKE HONDA, NISSAN OUTPERFORM YOU !!!

Half the fun is the argument. The last thing Nissan wants to do is have a final answer. They would rather have 100,000 people speculating about the car.

I have a suspicion that if you gave the Nissan test driver a porsche, he could get with 5 seconds of the GTR.

what evs…Nissan still needs to build solid race winning history first please…

Let it go, the hype is over, many know that this is bs. Nissan is trying to spice things up again with more bs claims

Nissan has plenty of race history, enough for them to develop cars like the r32 gtr, r33 gtr, r34 gtr and now the gtr r35(with the new tuned and balanced chassis) how do you think the gt-r got its nick name (Godzilla).
Ive seen the 1989-1990 R32 gt-rs racing and the two cars were so fast they made the Nissan team add 100kg and detune 80hp but even still they were hard too beat always coming on the podium and the very last race the two gtrs just left the 600hp+ falcon and commodores for dust and disappeared into the front having their own race.
But as you can plainly see the results now with the nurburgring lap time at 7min26.07. for its relative cheap price it has no competition, and just keep in mind that porsche were around this time the gt-r did its new records and a tone of media, so Nissan has gone out of its way to prove its lap times, i think results speck for them selves.

@Tom
there is enough independent evidence that porsche is lying or just simply unable to drive the GT-R fast…(which is ridiculous because its so easy to drive and yes I drove it myself on the nürburgring).

Besides drivers republic and the private GT-R going faster than a GT3 (was on youtube), the german sport auto drove the GT-R in November 2007. This magazine is usually very porsche friendly, yet was able to drive the gt-r with only 4 laps total and partly wet conditions in a 7:50 around the track!
http://www.sportauto-online.de/fahrberichte/nissan-gt-r-ost-erweiterung-1040412.html

Porsche is STILL crying?

lol

@Aaron n
Thank you Aaron…..at least some1 here knows about nissan’s winning history (and with precision too)…..the day will come when nissan will take over the automotive world (toyota’s days are numbered)……this ting is godlike, and porsche your cars are always going to be epic, but there’s bigger fish now!…..This ting jus lapped the nurburgring faster than the insane carrer gt….and to think porsche media was there…..its a shame…….and for all the american supporters (yuh know …..like “you can’t beat american muscle”..)…..the zr1′s a** is dark!….The Vspec will (i repeat WILL) eventually take care of the viper(whose time is ludicrous by the way, and out of this world!)

I find it amusing how passionately people argue against the GTR’s lap times with not a whole lot of real evidence to contradict those times. Numerous independent press and comparison tests consistently show the GTR exceeding the “sum of it’s parts”. Yes, the GTR in many tests appears to defy conventional logic of: “a 3800 lb car with only 480hp should not be able to go that fast.” On the other hand, I found Driver’s Republic article pitting the Porsche GT2 against the GTR with an experienced race driver @ the Ring and the GT2 coming out 5 sec faster pretty interesting. I don’t doubt Nissan’s reported Ring lap times, but I think Nissan driver Suzuki simply must know a few secrets to squeezing the max out of the car, and they surely do spend a lot of time at the track doing runs and tweaking each model year to be a little faster…

With regards to the SpecV ‘Ring time, someone like an import magazine (…or an internet blog! ;P wink wink) should comp a Japanese stock SpecV owner a trip to the ‘Ring and have a professional ‘Ringmaster race driver use that car to clock the official laptime (WITH AN ONBOARD CAM TOO!- watch the youtube hits this one’ll get!).
Give Nissan and Mizuno-san another big two fingered salute just like Smokey Nagata did with the V35 when Nissan took forever to debut the R35.

They say “…anticipation makes the appetite grow stronger”, but this is bloody forced starvation!

Oh and BRING SuperGT to Australia please!… CAN I GET A AMEN?! lol

If theres enough demand for this thing to go ahead, someone’ll do it.

…I hope!… LOL

@vspeciinur
or better yet get a GTR owner with a few mods 600awhp, susp, wheels etc ie
this dudes car or something like it
http://gt-rr.com/gt-r/r35/_customer_car/part/abdulwahabs_car/pid/328
hit the ring run a sub 7:20 this thing is gotta be at least 10 seconds faster over 13 miles espicially considering thats it a high speed circuit and the uphill sections, not to mention Nordschliefe straight is gotta be worth 10 seconds! Its a shitload lighter, lower, wider, more grip, 200awhp more than factory, double the downforce!! Can anyones guess as to what all this would be worth over 1 lap compared to stock???????

@Kris
yep, that wouldnt be too expensive and would achieve AMAZING results especially is suzuki-san was driving

I want to see the standard SpecV DESTROY the top end 911 variants by miles around the ‘Ring though. Thats why i suggested it. The Base model’s already beaten them. Now lets DESTROY them! Of course a mild to highly modified GT-R’s going to do it easily… and yes, it would be fun to watch. But a bog stock standard $250k (AUD) GT-R SpecV destroying a $480k GT2….THAT WOULD BE BLOODY PRICELESS!!!

@Kris

Just put zila stickers on and leave everything stock and it can do easly under 6 seconds

Two things:

1) Porsche is handing Nissan free advertising on a silver platter with their silly accusations… &

2) I’d be interested to see if Porsche are willing to go head to head on track (both on track at the same time). This would show how many secs the GTR beats the Porsche by.

The GT-R has three settings for the suspension. An everyday setting or standard setting, a sport setting and a track setting. These three settings are not directly accessible. You have to visit your dealer to make the changes. It is certain IMHO that in Nirb the difference between the “EveryDay” and “Track” suspension setting should be in the range of 1 or 2 tens of seconds. Thus, it could be possible for both parties to speak the truth although not the “whole truth”.

hi
guys

its simple some reporters dont admit that the gtr is the best super car
today and tomorrow.
en they sale the v spec and the 600lm porche explod
and i like tho see the new nissan mid 45 that nissan dont sale in 80`s

jose

595 owner

History. Nissan Skyline GTR stretches back to the mid-60s, when Prince automobile company merged with Nissan-Datsun in 1967. The earliest predecessor of the GTR, the S54 2000 GT-B, came second in its very first race in 1964 to the Porsche 904 GTS, to the delight of the home crowd, the Skyline was seen to overtake a Porsche 904GTS during the race. The legend of the GTR Skyline had begun.

The next generation of the GTR, was the four-door PGC10 2000 GTR which had 33 victories in the one and a half years it raced, its run was ended by a Mazda Savanna RX-3 attempting its 50th consecutive win. The Skyline GTR took 1000 victories by the time it was discontinued in 1972.
Check NissanSkyline.com for reference!

If i was a Porsche fan i would certainly change my mind about it:
1 they don’t give evidence to back what they are saying
2 i would be disappointed in the spokesman who OPENLY wept to the media about the GTR claims of beating their time.
3 the GTR is unstoppable.

Why is it that nobody apart from Nissan can get below 7.50? Check others that have taken a stock r35 around the ring not only Porsche’s legendary race winning test driver’s but many others.

Cheers miss-lead people.

Does anybody know of an independent party that has managed better than 7.50 around the ring for the r35??? I’m still looking.

Porsche GT2 time to 300Km is 33sec, r35 is a whopping 54sec to the same speed. At that speed the GT2 would be some meters in front hu? Half km ahead? One km ahead? Can anybody work this mathematical problem out? Then he holds answer to the fact. The fact that you or me cannot buy a r35 stock to do the same as the Japs claim.

Cheers all.

It has many compliance with the power of the GTR …
Please look at this losers:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordschleife_fastest_lap_times

The fact of the matter is that Nissan deconstructed the porsche GT3 in its lab and set out to build a car that would beat it in all aspects of racing (straight line, 0-60, slalom, skid-pad, braking and around ‘the ring’). The fact that the power to weight ratio is in favor of the porsche’s is inconsecential due to the other factors that the GT-R R35 has in it’s favor. These are as follows:

1) The awd drive system. Nissan has designed, built, and road proven the best awd system on the market to date. The amount of computer power in that vehicle dwarfs anything else out there. Just look at the launch system; multiple switch manipulation in the cockpit and with a simple brake stand any civilian driver can get a 3.3s 0-60 out of the car. Check the top gear youtube video test to confirm this. They only run a 3.5s 0-60 but on a dusty airstrip with much more wheelspin then would occur on a clean track, with a privately owned GT-R that they did not want to flog to its limit.

2) It has a 50/50 front/rear balance. This is something that can not be overlooked. A lighter, rear engine, rear drive car is much more susceptible to spin under hard trail braking, and/or improper braking technique then one that is perfectly balanced. This drastically affects the time around a track especially one like ‘the ring’ which due to its construction is faster with trail braking on a lot of the turns rather then early braking/late accelerating.

3) Slalom and skid pad. Yes the GT2 (maybe the GT3) have a faster 0-300 kmh time. But with a starting point like ‘the rinq’ has (check the GT-R 7:29s run on youtube to see the starting point) it doesn’t matter. You are immediately thrown into a 45 degree right that flows in to a down-hill on camber 180 degree left the brings you to the ‘slow’ esses before you get to the first highspeed ‘straight’ section. At this point the GT-R has already carried more speed into and out of this section on all turns. Due to the higher G’s the car is able to withstand without braking traction. By the time they hit the first ‘straight’ section the GT-R is already seconds ahead. True if you started the cars on the back straight the porsche would most likely be ahead heading into the pit area (which is the actual start line) but again would lose that time due to slower entry and exit speeds.

That being said if you watch the youtube lap that suzuki posted around ‘the ring’. You will notice that the tires are not screeching through each turn and through many of the turns he has 5-10 feet before he hits rumblestrip. If you have any race experience you know that this means he could have gone faster through many of the turns, both entry and exit speeds would/could be faster.

If porsche took the cayman (which is a mid-engine/rear drive car, with a 50/50 weight balance) and dropped in a GT2 power plant and adjusted the suspension, drivetrain, etc. to the same level im sure that it would be able to post a time similar albeit still slower time then the GT-R.

Without the same computing power/awd system it is nearly imposible to reach the time of the GT-R. Yes there are many cars that are faster then it around ‘the ring’. However they are not mass produced super cars, they are limited run, barely street legal, vehicles that incorporate carbon monotub cockpits, carbon fiber/ceramic brakes, magnesium/carbon wheels, full race bred suspension, and huge powerplants that are capable of incredible numbers, and are driven by professional race drivers. However if you are a civilian without race driving experience or training you would end up in the wall trying to post a time faster then the GT-R around ‘the ring’ in one of these cars. It is and always will be one of the most dangerous circuits in the world. Hence why they do not run a F1 race around the whole ‘ring’ anymore and have not since 1972.

If we compare the cost of a GT3/GT2/Enzo Ferrari to the cost of a GT-R we see anywhere from approx. $100k – to $900k difference. So if one were able to buy a stock GT-R and put $200k into it the results would be dramatic. Without the x6 factor taken into account for unsprung rotational mass. Just by changing to magnesium hub carbon fiber wheels and carbon/ceramic brakes (the latter available on GT3/GT2/Turbo porshes)it is possible to remove almost a 100lbs from the GT-R. Thus improving accel., braking, turn-in, skid-pad and slalom numbers. If we continue from there and replace all existing body panels with carbon fiber after market replacements (available online now) just on the exterior we are again able to remove just over 100lbs from the GT-R’s sprung non-rotational mass. This exercise could go on for pages as there are more weight savings on the interior, better downforce production on the exterior and underbody, chassis rigidity with a hidden rollcage, improved accel., braking, less weight, and more lateral G’s with suspension changes. And we haven’t even broached the subject of powerplant yet. Of course there is already a GT-500 kit available for the GT-R, which depending on the level of performance you are after can boost power anywhere from 100 to 400 bhp while cutting weight at the same time.

All in all if you were able to do all these very possible modifications you would have a vehicle that cost the same as a GT2 but was lighter, more powerfull, sounded better, was much easier to drive, and would certainly post one of the fastest lap times ever recorded around ‘the ring’. Porsche knows this all to well and must due everything in their power to discredit the stock ability and the upgraded potential of the GT-R.

The boxster is the poor mans porshe that is slower then a M3. The GT-R is a smart mans sleeper beast that would wipe the smug look off of any ferrari/porshe/aston owner who was arrogant enough to rev his engine in challenge at your local stop light.

It is nicknamed ‘Godzilla’ for a reason, in any level of performance trim from stock to all out. This car is already a classic and just like it’s predecessors will be a classic forever.

@959 owner
it may not have an international race history, but in Japan, Australia and NZ it has one. in japan(JGTC), nissan have been beating Porsche’s since the 70′s!

Well, certainly when it comes to initial specs all manufacturers are going to use their in-house drivers, technicians, etc. and as such, there will always be a biased toward lower lap times, higher HP’s, top speeds, etc. But, given that they ALL do it, one has to the numbers for all of them are skewed toward the higher performance. As stated above, all of this do help to keep the competition stiff between lovers of Porsche and lovers of Nissan. If either where interested in having the actual answer, I’m certain it would be easy enough to find an independent driver. I don’t think that’s what they’re going for. I say, just settle it out on the circuit and be done with it.